diff --git a/lib/browser/api/menu-utils.ts b/lib/browser/api/menu-utils.ts
index 2bd83ace383b..084432a66f4f 100644
--- a/lib/browser/api/menu-utils.ts
+++ b/lib/browser/api/menu-utils.ts
@@ -157,9 +157,12 @@ function sortGroups<T> (groups: {id?: T}[][]) {
   return sortedGroupIndexes.map(i => groups[i]);
 }
 
-export function sortMenuItems (menuItems: {type?: string, id?: string}[]) {
-  const isSeparator = (item: {type?: string}) => item.type === 'separator';
-  const separators = menuItems.filter(i => i.type === 'separator');
+export function sortMenuItems (menuItems: (Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions | Electron.MenuItem)[]) {
+  const isSeparator = (i: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions | Electron.MenuItem) => {
+    const opts = i as Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions;
+    return i.type === 'separator' && !opts.before && !opts.after && !opts.beforeGroupContaining && !opts.afterGroupContaining;
+  };
+  const separators = menuItems.filter(isSeparator);
 
   // Split the items into their implicit groups based upon separators.
   const groups = splitArray(menuItems, isSeparator);
diff --git a/lib/browser/api/menu.ts b/lib/browser/api/menu.ts
index 725396fb82c2..fe0fb9d5aad1 100644
--- a/lib/browser/api/menu.ts
+++ b/lib/browser/api/menu.ts
@@ -182,11 +182,11 @@ Menu.buildFromTemplate = function (template) {
     throw new TypeError('Invalid template for MenuItem: must have at least one of label, role or type');
   }
 
-  const filtered = removeExtraSeparators(template);
-  const sorted = sortTemplate(filtered);
+  const sorted = sortTemplate(template);
+  const filtered = removeExtraSeparators(sorted);
 
   const menu = new Menu();
-  sorted.forEach(item => {
+  filtered.forEach(item => {
     if (item instanceof MenuItem) {
       menu.append(item);
     } else {
diff --git a/spec-main/api-menu-spec.ts b/spec-main/api-menu-spec.ts
index cbce05964ae1..681085f49a37 100644
--- a/spec-main/api-menu-spec.ts
+++ b/spec-main/api-menu-spec.ts
@@ -101,7 +101,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
     describe('Menu sorting and building', () => {
       describe('sorts groups', () => {
         it('does a simple sort', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               label: 'two',
               id: '2',
@@ -146,7 +146,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it('resolves cycles by ignoring things that conflict', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '2',
               label: 'two',
@@ -178,7 +178,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it('ignores references to commands that do not exist', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -208,7 +208,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it('only respects the first matching [before|after]GroupContaining rule in a given group', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
 
       describe('moves an item to a different group by merging groups', () => {
         it('can move a group of one item', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -300,7 +300,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it("moves all items in the moving item's group", () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -348,7 +348,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it("ignores positions relative to commands that don't exist", () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -436,7 +436,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it('can merge multiple groups when given a list of before/after commands', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -474,7 +474,7 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         });
 
         it('can merge multiple groups based on both before/after commands', () => {
-          const items = [
+          const items: Electron.MenuItemConstructorOptions[] = [
             {
               id: '1',
               label: 'one'
@@ -599,6 +599,32 @@ describe('Menu module', function () {
         expect(menuTwo.items[2].label).to.equal('c');
       });
 
+      it('should only filter excess menu separators AFTER the re-ordering for before/after is done', () => {
+        const menuOne = Menu.buildFromTemplate([
+          {
+            type: 'separator'
+          },
+          {
+            type: 'normal',
+            label: 'Foo',
+            id: 'foo'
+          },
+          {
+            type: 'normal',
+            label: 'Bar',
+            id: 'bar'
+          },
+          {
+            type: 'separator',
+            before: ['bar']
+          }]);
+
+        expect(menuOne.items).to.have.length(3);
+        expect(menuOne.items[0].label).to.equal('Foo');
+        expect(menuOne.items[1].type).to.equal('separator');
+        expect(menuOne.items[2].label).to.equal('Bar');
+      });
+
       it('should continue inserting items at next index when no specifier is present', () => {
         const menu = Menu.buildFromTemplate([
           {